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The Composition and College Communication (CCCC) President is on the mark! Brava! That took courage.

"She complained that Generative AI had taken the work of writers and scholars unlawfully and that it was built upon the work of people who had never been compensated."

- True! Gen AI has taken my work, and countless others, without my permission and without compensation. See my post Supply Chain of Writing Fools (https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2024/11/20/guest-post-supply-chain-of-writing-fools/) and follow Graham Lovelace to learn more if this is news to you.

"I thought about those years she probably spent on Facebook, Twitter, Google, and all those free blog sites... Does she think she should be compensated, but not all the companies she climbed up on her way to the podium?"

- False. We aren't talking about Tweets and Facebook posts (I don't patronize either one.) We're talking about scholarly journal articles and published books, in my case work that involved 15 years of research, writing evenings and weekends after teaching full time.

"The truth is this work belongs to all of us invested in linguistic justice."

- True! If we want to have any kind of justice for writers and artists, we need to stand up, as the Society of Authors and Authors Guild are doing.

"a book she was publishing with some academic friends and how she had founded an AI Resistance group. She even showed the QR code." Please share the code and link. And if you think she's going to "make a buck" on an edited academic book, you are in dream world. Writing this kind of book is a labor of love and dedication to the field. You could make more money delivering pizzas.

"It didn’t sound like justice as much as it sounded like the soft bigotry of low expectations."

- False. It sounds like she believes as I do in high expectations! We think writers have original thoughts to share, original insights they can communicate with their own words - not those stolen from other writers! And not those that the AI companies think they should use.

(See my post "Finding Your Voice in a Ventriloquist’s World – AI and Writing" https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2025/01/28/guest-post-finding-your-voice-in-a-ventriloquists-world-ai-and-writing/ and series on Originality https://open.substack.com/pub/janetsalmons/p/encourage-originality-create-a-culture?r=410aa5&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false)

I can only go by what you shared here, but when I think of "justice" in the context of AI I think about the AI company tech titans who have thrown their allegiance toward authoritarians, and have remained silent as research, library, and education funds are eliminated, and as international students in the US are picked up on the streets and held in detention. Have you heard them say a word against these practices? Crickets (while they jockey for big government contracts and access to our data.)

"preparing our students for a future with AI. Or not." Yeah I'm in the "or not" camp.

Katie (Kathryn) Conrad's avatar

I'm a little gobsmacked by this piece, which doesn't represent the talk particularly well (it's thankfully available for folks to read, and I recommend it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d-LaO7oMoWFBcXgjoyylD0FRqrB1jQZMq9NttPfZOKY/). But I'm particularly at a loss to understand your point here:

'She complained that Generative AI had taken the work of writers and scholars unlawfully and that it was built upon the work of people who had never been compensated. I thought about those years she probably spent on Facebook, Twitter, Google, and all those free blog sites she likely used to spread the rhetoric of her greatness around, all those sites she never paid for. Did she think there was no reckoning, no payment required in the end? As early as 2010, my big data buds were telling me that data was the new oil, that all that stuff on social media was being scraped up. I didn’t know what it was being scraped for—but the message was clear: “If the service is free, YOU are the product.” Does she think she should be compensated, but not all the companies she climbed up on her way to the podium?'

Internet-based companies like Meta and free blog sites' public-facing story has been that they make their money on advertising, to which those of us who use those sites (often grudgingly) consent. I see no reason to spit vitriol at someone who choses to stand up for the intellectual property rights to which they and others are entitled, especially when it involved scraping for an undisclosed purpose. I find the justification that we all should have known bad things would happen when we shared our work with people on sites that had a disclosed revenue stream to be, at best, a reach, and at worse, a willful and disturbing misunderstanding of consent.

I'd also say that corporations are not people, Citizens United aside. There is a difference between picking a flower from a garden and running it over with a combine. Scale matters.

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